Religious Right and Their Followers May Be Getting Their Bar Kokhba Political Leader
by drfuture2013
This is a post I have tried to avoid writing for over a year. I know it will alienate many more of what few friends and followers I still have. I have also tried to focus on finishing the last of seven volumes of my Holy War Chronicles book series instead, but since I haven’t posted here in some time, I might as well get this off my chest, even though it may well result in fewer readers for my books. I could drown the readers in historical and recent data and citations here, like I do in my book, but I’ll try to restrain that and get to the point, and let those skeptics read my books or do their own research for themselves.
There was a time when God’s people, the Jews in Judea, had a monumental choice to make, which had everlasting political and, more importantly, spiritual overtones. Their pious religious leaders had turned them against a poor carpenter/preacher known as Jesus of Nazareth, who talked of “turning the other cheek”, “Loving your enemies”, and avoided talk of claiming a political kingdom by force, but rather focused on a “Kingdom of Heaven” in which the poor were the “insiders”, and the rich were not revered and pandered to, but rather had to emulate the humility of the poor to be a part. He told His followers to “put their swords away”, because His Kingdom was not of of this world, “else My servants would fight”. Rome graciously gave God’s people a choice – to spare either this weak but healing Jesus who comforted the religiously or socially outcast, or another “Jesus” – Jesus Barabbas – who was a patriotic military hero in rebellion, who wanted to “make Judea great again” and “take Judea back”, even though he was also known as a killer and criminal (with such Zealots often known to rob from their own people). We know the choice these people made; from then forward the die was cast and their fate was sealed.
The Jews, like their Canaanite and Levantine neighbors, were a wall-building people, as their source of protection from the menace of undesirables outside their “exceptional” community. However, it is curious to note that Biblical history suggests that their walls did little to make them safer. When Assyria’s army came, it was the heavenly host that turned their army into panic, and the prophet of God commanded that they not be slaughtered, but fed – the banquet being a non-violent affair that led to a true safety for a generation, and the foreign army to which mercy was showed had no heart to return later. These walls did not stop Nebuchadnezzar’s army when his hand was forced by their rebellion; they had forgotten their real security was in obeying God, who had protected them without fortifications in their desert wanderings. Nehemiah’s walls, so lovingly celebrated by Christians today (though never mentioned by either Christ or the Apostles), did not stop the Greek army from conquering when the Jews embraced them initially as “saviors” (thus betraying their benevolent Persian overlords), nor the Roman army later. However, this wall to keep out “unexceptional” outsiders did serve to trap the people of Judea inside their own walls by their own patriotic Zealot “saviors”, who initiated an ill-advised and hopeless rebellion against Rome, and in turn massacred and tortured their fellow Jews who wanted to leave the city, while plundering their own food stockpiles and other provisions during the siege, as the Zealots used the sacred Temple grounds as a military citadel, forcing the Romans to destroy it when they refused to surrender.
Having lost their beloved Temple and their autonomy did not stop the Jews from seeking a patriotic leader to again “make Judea great again”. Their religious leaders had “advanced” via their form of Pharisee-led Rabbinic Judaism to elevate their religious leader Rabbi Akiva, still known today by Jews as more important to Judaism than Moses himself, as well as being more wise as of the things of God. He proceeded to “anoint” a dashing military figure as “Bar Kokhba”, or “Star of Israel”, proclaiming him as the prophesied Messiah of Israel, and massaged some Old Testament passages to vaguely alude to it. Kokhba did not exhibit the virtues one might find in Scripture; Jewish historical records show that he was cruel, even to his fellow people of his own faith, such as cutting off the fingers of all his soldiers, and confiscating the lands of his countrymen for his own wealth. He famously said that the Jews did not need the help from God to win. He did launch a cruel persecution and massace of Christians throughout the land. While rousing the patriotic/religious fervor of his countrymen, he led an even more disastrous rebellion after three and a half years, as eventually he and Akiva were killed, along with over 580,000 of their own countrymen, as the Jews were then banned from the entire region of Jerusalem. By this time the oriignal tenets of the Jewish faith were submerged, and the hopes of a “return of the Kingdom” under a conquering Messiah was all they clung to, with no thoughts repentance, lessons learned from their folly, or the actual will of God, whom they felt betrayed them.
I have written for some time, and express in far deeper discussions in my books, that the Religious Right in America today, whom I have been raised to admire as a good “church-goin’ boy”, has similarly lost their way, in their brew of Christianity, American-exceptionalism and conviction of national “divine destiny”, Aryan superiority over other cultures, hyper-militancy (Spartan-style) and a paranoid fear, hatred and contempt of those who are different and don’t share their views, and the need to use State power to quench or eradicate them, rather than the power of love and a godly example. This trend goes back many generations, and even prior to our nation’s founding; in recent generations, such conservative Christians were the main standard bearers of the Cold War against the commies, thereby giving spiritual sanction to the illegal acts of the CIA and FBI (both internationally and domestically), and foreign wars under false pretences such as the Vietnam War. Since the falling of the Berlin Wall took away that zeal (and the need for such huge defense budgets and contracts), they have seamlessly transitioned their external contempt to those of another culture and sphere of the world in the War on Terror, justifying an American police state and ridiculous security budget even though the primitive nomadic leaders with AK-47s pose no civilization-toppling power in America like Russia’s nuclear arsenal. They have justified torture and unlawful detainment and redention, with secret military trials if any, as worthy of the “good guys” to protect our morally-superior way of life.
I have observed that most of them, including many people close to me, have flocked to Donald Trump as a kind of Bar-Kokhba “messiah”, to “make America Great Again”. I have marvelled to see him get away with saying almost anything, to the immediate defense of his followers, in particular Christian leaders. Probably the most honest thing Trump has ever said is that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, and he would not lose any of his supporters. Sadly I think this is a kind of prophetic statement of how far America’s Christian community, or at least most of it, has descended into their abyss. If anyone has taken the time to follow Trump prior to his candidacy, they will note that his life and actions have been one of total narcissism that many have called a long time ago as clinical in its severity (which does not have to be treated as long as you have enough money to buy friends, and scare away or silence critics), as a need to be seen as being the “greatest”, with the need for him to point it out for every building he has built, every house he owns or piece of furniture as ‘the greatest ever”, and for his coterie around him to acknowledge it as well. In today’s campaign, he anoints himself as “the greatest job creator God ever made” (Henry Ford may protest this, in wherever he resides today), and will build the “greatest military”, the “greatest economy”, and the “greatest wall”, all without a single detailed plan. We know about his attitudes toward women, which has been a lifestyle and not a recent nor long-past phenomenon. He brags publicly on air about ditching wives when they hit 35 and are no longer useful, the lack of merits of flat-chested women, his perverted glee at getting to watch naked beauty pageant contestants dress back stage, his desire and skill at seducing married women into adulterous acts, and even his description of his own daughter’s physical attributes in sexual terms, as “someone he would date if he were not his daughter”. He has gotten kudos from Christians for scapegoating the “others” as the source of America’s ills – a skill in “selling it” that would make Hitler proud – including all the “rapist” Mexicans, and the Muslims he kept saying he would ban from immigrating, with his reputation built on a physical “wall” that he thinks will not only effectively protect America, but “make it great again”. He is seen as the hero of the common man, who evidently also do not do much reading (Trump has bragged publicly about being the choice of the “poorly educated”) – they would see that many of those “common men” he stiffed and did not pay for their hard work on his buildings, and the minorities he and his dad were fined for racially excluding in their buildings (his dad, the New York slumlord Fred Trump was notorious for this, leading one of his tenant victims – Woody Guthrie – to savage him in his songs). One can see beyond his rhetoric how he would really take the cause of the common man, in his only detailed policy plan – his tax plan, which plans to reduce the tax rates of the highest tax brackets, and drop all corporate rates to a mere 15 percent. Who do you think will take up the tax-paying slack in America?
Of course, all these things have endeared him to our wise and righteous examples amongst our Religous Right leaders, and in particular his biggest cheerleaders such as Jerry Falwell Jr., Franklin Graham and Dr. James Dobson. And he has given them much to believe his sincerity – from his affirmation of his faith because he says he “takes the little cracker”, to his faith recitation of “two Corinthians” and how much it means to him, and his holding up his grandmother’s Bible to rapt, tear-stained Christian audiences. Like Bar Kokhba, he has publicly said to Christian audiences that he has done nothing to ever ask God for forgiveness for. The many Christian leaders who have crowded around him like groupies for influence and photo ops, including Dr. Dobson, have said that televangelist Paula White has led him to the Lord; she should understand him well, as an adulteress who had an affair with fellow evangelist-healer Benny Hinn until they were exposed. Like Rabbi Akiva, they have worked hard to find Biblical references to herald his coming as messiah, many Christian leaders publicly calling him a “King David” or :King Cyrus” to justify his “rough edges” (to which I expect both men will some day hold such leaders to account for such character defamation of themselves). They have hard-pounded home to the American Christian flock that they should not look at his character, how he speaks directly or acts, either over his life or even during the campaign – he has an exemption from any expectations of character or virtue. It’s not that he’s just not a “holy joe” or a preacher; I don’t think he has any virtues at all to speak of, or even the bare minimum of a ne’er-do-well off the street in any culture, East or West, much less our choice amongst tens of millions to lead the ‘Free World”.
In recent years the Religious Right and their followers have had a similar crisis of what path to take, and who to follow, as they did in the streets of Jerusalem. In the recent election, Ron Paul, a practicing Christian, veteran, only serious congressman to actually propose pro-life legislation, and faithful spouse to his wife for over fifty years, spoke to the almost exclusive evangelical audience at the South Caroline debate, and said that our foreign policy should follow Christ’s Golden Rule, to which he was roundly booed. At the Values Voters Summit held by the Family Research Council , Christians there gave him the lowest “values” score, merely because he did not like war, and did not think that everyone who tried a marijuana cigarette should be in jail. These days, like Kokhba they have a candidate whom they can really rally behind and admire. They speak in defense of Trump regardless of his historic or recent actions or words, much like an abused spouse or a co-dependent of an alcoholic, in neither case helping the sick person, and in this case revealing more about their own character. We have recently seen, in Trump’s own words, how he likes to “grab women by the p___y” and lead them around (I use this offensive term because most Christians don’t seem to think it is a big deal, evidently). I think in this case, Trump is grabbing the Religious Right and their followers “by the p___y”, and derisively laughing all the way. More importantly, he has shown (by his own statements) that he likes to target women in marriage covenant with others; in this case, he has the greatest prize – a Church in marriage to Christ, whom he has seduced away by his dirty talk, bravado and “charm”- not as if there were much resistance from them; they have repeatedly shown their tendency to go “a whoring” after patriotism and self-worth, the Darwinian emphasis on “might makes right” in their economics and gunboat diplomacy, and even their justification of slavery in years past. I cannot speak for Christ, but I would noo be surprised if He is telling the leaders of the American Religious Right and their followers to “weep for their children” in the days ahead, and it won’t be for the reasons they hear on talk radio.
As far as I am concerned, I think that all of these Christian leaders and pastors who have espoused this have gone the way of Balaam the prophet – telling pagan leaders what they want to hear in spiritual terms in exchange for profit and influence. I intend to hang their endorsement of Donald Trump, and their lame justification for it, around their necks like an albatross for the rest of their lives (albeit subject to repentance and wising up, like we all have had to do). The next time they begin publicly moralizing about how immoral certain Americans are – including gays, or thoese irascible “millennials” – I am going to throw their endorsement of Trump back into their face, and tell them where to stick it; I don’t want to hear any of their moral superiority any more. I now know (actually I have known for some time), and more importantly all can see their hypocrisy, and how serious they are about moral convictions and being a “voice of conscience” to a society. Oh, how do we need a John the Baptist today who could speak real “truth to power”, and also point out these sold-out Christian leaders as a “brood of vipers”! The rank and file Christian Trump supporter has no excuse, no more than any of us saying these politicans are the problem and were forced on us – someone had to vote these guys (Trump and Clinton) in during the primaries, and think they were a “good choice”. I think these supporters have gone the way of Esau – “despising their birthright” by selling their Christian moral authority for a promised bowl of porridge of feel-good, militant American exceptionalism, and scapgoating of Mexican and Muslim outsiders for all our problems. I’m afraid this birthrite of spiritual credibility is also hard to get back. It has exposed their priorities and a projection of their own internal values and ideals.
Trump’s life has been defined by his establishing of his “brand” (with his names on buildings, steaks, airlines, etc.), and the “art of the deal”. Ironically, his book by that name that made him famous was not even written by him, and his ghost writer who did come up with his philosophy for him has now renounced him and rejects what he stands for. I guess some might admire Trump as a “success” – as one might consider a “success” who only started with millions to invest from his dad and his dad’s Rolodex of insider real estate contacts (and the shirt on his back), and his ability to declare bankruptcy numerous times while leaving all his partners and creditors holding the bag (which he defines as “success”). In Trump’s world, a “good deal” is not when both parties succeed in their goals as a “win-win”; no, there must be a winner and a loser of a transaction as to its value, to feed to egos of Trump and his ilk (as he did with Merv Griffin over Resorts International). In his deals, he must “sell” a persona of awe to intimidate his “mark” (a term from street con games), followed by periods of “good guy” posturing and flattery when needed, as well as “tough guy” belittling of a deal opponent to give them fear of refusal (having the perceived dough to threaten endless lawsuits also serves he and his type well as well). He himself believes none of it (other than some measure of self-denial), and seeks only to “win”, and does not see destroying his opponent as “personal” (see the horrible things he has said to his primary rivals, and then instantly made up with them when they were no longer a threat to his goals). I have experienced these behaviors myself from billionaires and other high-rollers I have had to do business with, and even strike deals with (or defend myself when they break them). I have witnessed him using all these techniques on America and his growing ranks of gullible followers during this campaign, and he has played them like a Stradivarios. Most have never had to deal with types like him before (except at maybe an Amway sales meeting or similar scenario or timeshare sales experience). He has flattered them. charmed them, and made them in awe of him, and “ready to sign”. His emphasis on “winning” in all his talks (when not offending women and their looks, or Hillary. the media conspirators, etc.) sits well with Americans, including many American Christians, because the real religion of America is “winning” – winning wars, winning sports, winning in global business, etc. We will deal with the devil (while spouting moralisitic platitiudes) as long as we can be with a “winner”, and maybe have some of that success rub off – at least Dr. Dobson, Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr. do. Trump has produced no evidence, much less detailed plans, on how he will be the “greatest” in all these areas, other than his showmanship. All of his other partners and associates have ended in sorrow and loss; what will be the fate of America, and its Religious Right? Who will hold the bag this time when he goes “bankrupt”? Instead of using money and New York lawyers to intimidate people with threats, what happens when he is privy to the capabilities of the CIA, FBI and the military? He has also shown us how gullible we are, in his fawning adoration for the “strong man” (and former KGB spook) Vladimir Putin, who may be helping him covertly (according to the FBI). Christian leaders (including Graham) have praised the despot Putin, who jails and kills opposition, shuts down independent media and is building his own personal largesse as the singlemost powerful individual controlling energy supplies in the world, to add to his own wealth. Graham and his Christian leader peers (and many laypersons) have been calling Putin himself the “lion of Christianity” for his jailing of gay persons or those with dissenting views to his government or the Russian Orthodox Church, while ignoring his laws that are outlawing an evangelical presence in his country. Putin and Trump both share in common a desire to inspire their national churches with nationalistic fervor, and to exploit them for their own financial and political gains.
All these words of rebuke are not intended in any way to elevate or promote HIllary Clinton – a Nixon-like figure of entitlement, paranoia and secrecy that would continue our less-than-ideal leadership vacuum, although probably not quite the Wormwood figure that Right Wing Talk Radio has indoctinated Christians to adopt withour question or critique (these same sources and their followers also said there would be no election in 2012 or 2016 if Obama was elected). I did not vote for Hillary in the primaries (nor Trump or his warmonger Repubican peers), and I don’t plan to in the general election; I remind you that there are other choices for president on our ballots, and I would submit that now is an excellent time (with two terrible major candidates) to begin availing yourself of them, as I have done for several elections (and wish I had done earlier). I do encourage you to vote; even as Christian citizens of “another kingdom”, I believe that is is right for us to vote, at least as an expression of gratitude to God who gave it to us here in America, and as a small measure of positive influence. Don’t tell me I am “wasting my vote” by not endorsing either of the two similar criminal syndicates we know as “political parties”; I am tired of endorsing the status quo of them with my vote, and the choice of candidates will not improve unless we change course (and more importantly, educate our fellow Christians). Some Christians think Trump will fight the neo-cons. It is true that a few of the neocons (such as Bill Krystal) cannot swallow him, and I like his critique of the Iraq War and Syrian intervention. However, I see that his advisors are chock full of neocons and warmongers (and endorsed by gen. Boykin, to boot, as well as Dick Cheney), and he has had the audacity to say publicly recently, “I love war”. Does anyoen really know what he will do once he is in office? Who is he beholden to? Does the Religious Right really think he will give them the time of day after he has rangled their votes, if he wins?
That’s it – I have much more to say, but I should quit while I am behind and say no more, before there is no one else left to piss off (I sadly have had strained relationships with many close friends needlessly over this issue). Even though this election may not inspire most of us, we can use it constructively, regardless of what the “world” does, to see what it says about us as individual Christians and our Christian community and what we value, and the state of our witness in this world after the smoke of this election clears. I suspect that God will use this to bring some clarity, and even separation (and new bed-fellows and fellow travelers) to perceptive Christians in the days ahead.
Buckle your seat belts, and keep a long-term, heavenly kingdom perspective.
Jesus was never described as “weak.” Perhaps you made a typo. Meek may have been what you
were going for, I hope.
God commissioned Nehemiah’s wall, didn’t He? Solomon said: “there is a time for every purpose
under Heaven.
I couldn’t care less about the “Religious Right.” They are a non-issue to me.
I think Trump says the sort of things a great majority of ordinary people think but aren’t
allowed to say. I think Trump is correct on a lot of issues. That said, he’s no Christian and,
even as president, he would not have the power to do anything he says he would do.
Then there’s that other candidate………Perhaps our only hope is hope in God. Perhaps
He wants virgins packing extra oil and that could be accomplished in us regardless of who “wins”
the election. The major faux pas is putting hope in any human leader. Shouldn’t Christians
already know that? Fact is I’d rather hear the orange smurf for the next four years than that “other candidate.”
No worries. I don’t vote anymore. I know the die is cast: apostasy, persecution, tribulation, HEAVEN !!!!
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Thanks for your response, sister.
I think that Jesus certainly looked physically weak when He was brought as a beaten man before the crowd. They also saw Him as weak because He did not stop the Roman soldiers who apprehanded Him, and certainly did not volunteer to lead a rebellion against Rome, as they expected in a Messiah. The civil leaders there commented that His followers had no real weapons, and thus He was militarily weak, an ddidn’t even come to His own defense. His Jewish critics even taunted Him as being too weak to save Himself while on the cross.
I may be wrong, but I have not found anywhere in Nehemiah where God is seen speaking to him or anyone else with His voice (just like the Book of Esther), much less telling them directly to build a wall, although Nehemiah tells everyone a lot that he was heard from God. It is curious to note that neither Christ nor the Apostles mention either book or the people in them.
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God seemed to support, provide for and protect the building of the wall. That’s His endorsement, don’t you think? Eventually came the Temple. I see no proof the will of God, for that time, was not done.
Didn’t they rely on God to get it done?
Jesus was also seen as casting out devils by the power of the devil. That was clearly not so. Jesus was not weak, regardless of how people saw Him. Saying He was weak to bolster a personal assertion sorta seems to cross a line I don’t want to cross.
I don’t think Jesus ever taught us to work through the political system. That said, this country affords us the right to vote and those who vote always have to choose the lesser of two evils.
The orange smurf is the lesser…..by a long shot.
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I have asked several of my friends who they would vote for if their “winning” choices were Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. None of them has been able to give me a rational reason to pick any of them.
What we are faced with today is very little more than bandwagon propaganda that tries to force us to choose “our school” as the winning team, and honestly the two wings of this political bird are just as corrupt and bad for America. The only reason a “lesser” party candidate gets nowhere is because we all believe we have to choose the home team candidate who is “less evil”.
Way back in school when we had a class called “civics” we were taught to research the candidates and vote our conscience. Yet very few are willing to look beyond the D’s and R’s. Maybe a few will look at the G’s and L’s running, but there are other candidates as well. As citizens we have a responsibility to try and pick the best candidate, but equally true is that God will pick the candidate we deserve, and most likely He has given us over as a country to judgment as both candidates are taking us further away from a country that seeks to honor Him.
2 Tim 2:4 that says, “No man that wars entangles himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who has chosen him to be a soldier.” I wonder sometimes if our hyper-focus on politics is the epitomy of the “affairs of this life”. While we should do our diligence in selecting someone who represents our values, this also can’t be the all-consuming spectacle it has become. The “debates” bare no resemblance to an actual debate, but are nowadays closer to choreographed “professional wrestling”, particularly on the “R” side of the aisle as 17 or so candidates managed to pick the person who could best sling insults rather than have a substantive conversation. All 16 of the others would have been more qualified to have a coherent position on the issues.
No matter which of the top two candidates is elected, America loses. It loses because our country as a whole has already bought the lies of Marxist thought that are the antithesis of everything God has said (If you can get ahold of the book “Marx and Satan” by Richard Wurmbrandt, you should read it–here’s a link to a free online copy: https://archive.org/details/MarxAndSatan ) America, like so many other countries, has fallen under the strong delusion of 2 Thes. 2:11.
Regardless of where one thinks we are on the prophetic clock, whether the great tribulation is the next event, or if there are any waves or repentance and revival still possible before the day of the Lord, we cannot afford to associate ourselves with the evil of the two top candidates. Men like Ben Carson and Mike Pence, or the all-star “Christian” Right leaders who have defended the indefensible need to seriously examine themselves. Likewise, we who claim Christ cannot also defend our modern day Hitlers and Stalins just because we dislike “the other one” more.
May God grant us repentance.
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Thanks for sharing, eeellama.
I think our interest in politics (even if subdued) is appropriate if it is a component of our “loving our neighbor” and looking out for the vulnerable – civil rights for the stranger, the disadvantaged, the poor, etc. Thank goodness some Christians stood up to slavery in the political realm, and civil rights, and basic worker’s rights (and of course for the unborn). I thnk we generally do better championing a good cause rather than a person.
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Seriously Dude? A couple thousand words on Trump, a couple of sentences on Hilary, persecutor of her husbands rape victims, liar extraordinaire, feeding out classified info to anyone interested, liar and partially responsible for the four murdered Americans at Benghazi, worming a deal to avoid prosecution with the FBI (Kennedy ring a bell), and undoubtedly hiding some health condition because being President is more important than being competent for the office. I can see why you lose friends. If you made at least some attempt at being balanced, people might believe you.
You weak “disavowing” of Hilary does little to hide your actual support for her. If you were really interested in encouraging people to vote independent then I wouldn’t have had to be “fair” for you. Got to be, for someone pretending to not like either two-party candidate, one of the most biased, lop-sided review of “qualifications” I have ever read. Did the Clinton campaign write it for you?
Now you certainly have the right to express opinions, but don’t pretend. Besides, we’re voting for commander-in-chief, not pastor in chief. Yes, I find many of his words offensive (is this a new sin among mankind, or do you really mean to imply that billions of men haven’t said or done the same things?). Not excusing his sins, nor mine or yours. But really? Guy talk, however base, cannot hold a candle to the Clintons’ lies and corruption. You’ve never “groped” a girl (remember, thinking it is the same as doing it according to Christ)? Talked guy talk with your peers (perhaps though you were born a Christian).
Personally, I find the election sickening. Yet satisfying in a way. This country is getting exactly what it deserves. It has cast God aside, murders it’s children (and abortion is different from sacrificing to Molech how?), practices false scales and balances with it’s pretend money, and worships tawdry practices among it’s actors and actresses and on countless tv shows. Porn is one of it’s leading industries. All this yet demands some sort of saintliness from it’s politicians. Hypocrites. America deserves this election. If Trump is like Hitler who is Hilary like? The Whore who rides the beast?
So ok. As I’ve deduced before, you’re a liberal. Fine. Just be honest about it. And progressive. And you get high off claiming Christianity yet devoting 90 percent of your words and time criticizing followers of Christ who don’t meet your standards or endorse your politics while wryly winking at the sins of those whom you support.
But don’t worry. I’ve never been your friend, so you haven’t lost one. And I discerned your politics long ago, so I am not angry. You want to “make earth great again”? Then pray after me, “Come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly.” Amen.
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Chuck, I can always count on you to help me feel vindicated about any posts I have done.
I did not spend more time on Hillary because she is not the one whom most of the evangelicals have “gone a whoring” after – that is my main concern, the witness and testimony of myself and my brethren in the church.
Thank you for your loyal readership and participation, my friend.
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I think you missed the point of this post…. It was not a comparison of candidates but rather the sickening whoring of the religious right to the next “R” winner . Should we not criticize ourselves as Christians? Or should we leave that for the world in which we brush off their criticizing as “a burden we Christians must bear”
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no, I got the point alright. And I hope you got mine. I think eeellama echoed it fairly well. I don’t like Trump. I can’t stand Clinton. And Gary Johnson doesn’t even know what or where Aleppo is. It’s like choosing between the mafia and crooked banker, with a clueless idiot thrown in. None of the libertarian candidates are really libs.
And yes, I find it distressing that millions of people will throw away their votes just to assuage their consciences. But I will probably close my eyes, hold my nose, and vote for Trump. One, he’s the only one with a chance to beat her, and two, he doesn’t represent the Washington elite, which is why they can’t stand him, and I refer here to the republicans. They are just as busy as the dems throwing every thing they can remotely find against him, which in and of itself is enough for me to endorse him.
And yes, we Christians should hold ourselves accountable. It just seems that the good doctor ONLY holds conservative Christians accountable, said bias revealing his own political leanings, which he is entitled to, just don’t hide them under the cloak of feigned indignation. Thanks though, for your concern
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Trump is not an outsider. He’s openly campaigned for Hillary in the past, and admittedly has given campaign contributions to both sides. “Both sides” is really a joke, though because they are in collusion with one another. Why else would two groups seemingly son diametrically opposed to one another both continually raise the debt, increase way, further reduce the quality of public education, and DO NOTHING ABOUT ABORTION.
After Ron Paul garnered widespread popular support it became apparent to the ruling elites that there was a need for an outsider candidate to suck up the disenfranchised voters who want to take it all down. Trump is that “outsider.” It gives him outsider credentials when people like Paul Ryan trash him, but he’s as much of an outsider as Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, or Rick Santorum, all of whom support Trump. He won the Republican nomination which anyone who followed the Ron Paul campaign knows can be stolen if need be.
Also, doesn’t anyone else notice the global shift towards nationalism? That’s what I think Trump represents. We are usually given two candidates with slightly different views on most issues, extremely different views on issues they never intend to change, and one or two different positions about policy. This time, we are given the “choice” between globalism now, or nationalism now with globalism later, probably after another war.
Trump is controlled opposition. Also, probably Gary Johnson as well, because he clearly isn’t a Libertarian. I’m still voting for Johnson, though because if he doesn’t know where Allepo is then he isn’t likely to use my tax dollars to murder people there.
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Garth, I think you are probably right on these counts.
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I have stopped supporting Republicans after they re-elected Scott Dejarlais, a Represent who ran on a family values/anti-abortion platform who also harassed his mistress into an abortion, in Tennessee. It was then that I realized the extent that instead of Christianity informing Republican thought, Corporate Republican interests were influencing Christianity. I think that Republicans have manipulated Christians to vote for Republican candidates by creating “moral issues” when there wasn’t one. Take gay marriage for example. They pushed DOMA, when it wasn’t necessary. I wasn’t afraid that gay people were going to get married; heck it made sense that they would want to so they could arrange their affairs however they wished. If Christianity had informed the issue,Christian voters would have realized that the government did/does not define what a biblical marriage was/is. Because DOMA and similar legislation was passed, an aggressive LGBTQ rights movement took hold. Because we did not live and let live, we have created a situation where we are seen as bigots rather than people who have our own rights to our own beliefs just as they have rights to their own beliefs. What you sow you shall reap. The weapon you use against another will be used against you so maybe don’t use weapons against another? Especially one who isn’t attacking you? Both Trump and Clinton are poor choices. I can’t help but think that they are part of God’s judgement against us (without Biblical proof). The election reminds me of the wheel of fortune from Mad Max Beyond the Thunder Dome; we are determining our punishment. I have decided that we deserve whatever we get.
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Mark,
You stated the situation like I wish I had, because I see it just the way you described it, albeit you did it in a more insightful way. Good to hear your views.
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my sentiments exactly. So why resist the inevitable? Vote for Trump or Clinton and let God bring it on!
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Brother Mike, I know you lived through the first corrupt Clinton administration. I would hope you are aware of all her current corruption as revealed by Wikileaks.
As such, I cannot imagine how you could not realize that not encouraging others to vote in Trump is ushering Hillary and all of her corruption back into the White House. My focus has been on educating others on her corruption in hopes of depressing her base and decreasing their turnout.
I too don’t like Trump as the nominee. But he is the only chance of keeping Hillary out. The other candidates you mention have no chance to beat her, but Trump does. He is the only chance to defeat her. It’s as simple as ABC: Anybody But Clinton.
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Thanks for sharing, Dave.
My main concern is the long term witness and testimony of my fellow citizens of the Eternal Kingdom. Nations will come and go, and the United States is no different. My Christianity is not definied by a primary existential hatred of Hillary Clinton, eventhough I don’t support her. The U.S. is likely to weather through a Clinton presidency, just like they did through two Obama presidencies, although our Religious Right and concervative media figures said that such elections would never be held again. Nations typically fall when their religious community gets corrupt and loses their way, and certainly not because too many people get health care or other acts of mercy.
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again, doc, don’t define the many by the few. And hey, we haven’t had the election yet. It’s never to late. Christ’s kingdom has never been on this earth, so I doubt that religious people will destroy it.
I appreciate your optimism, but no, this country can’t take 8 more years of Obama-like policies. Or are you suggesting that being in 40 trillion dollars of debt 8 years from now will have a negligible effect on this country.
Most people are clueless about the “god of this world” and his own politics, but he’s made great inroads into eating away at what little godliness this nation had.
And do you really believe that conservative Christians are the problem. You know, the only ones left that actually attempt to have a biblical worldview? The only ones that try to continue the historic Christian faith and doctrinal purity? The ones who resist embracing the murder of about 50+ million (read that number again) innocent human lives? The ones who resist the fraud of a debt-ridden nation (again, fair balances and weights). As imperfect as they may be (and surely, being as fair minded as you are) are THEY the problem and not liberal or pseudo-Christians, who endorse all the positions I just complained about?
It would just be refreshing to see you write about them and the embarrassment they bring to the Christian name and the cause of Christ? Of course, this is your site, and you’re free to write as you please. Just don’t expect me to blind myself to the real problems under the guise of social justice. As Jesus said, “the poor you will always have with you.” Sadly, that won’t change until He returns. Sure, we should ameliorate as much suffering as we should. Perhaps Obama, as if he cared, should have thought about that before his tepid policies opened the floodgates to terrorism and the slaughter of many thousands of Christians in the middle east. At the end of his terms he has overseen the doubling of our nations debt, the spread of terror far wider and more intense then when he took office, and the dismantling of the institution of marriage, one, by the way, endorsed and begun by God Himself.
So sorry, when I look at conservative Christians, I see sinners trying to do what they think is right. When I view “liberals” I see sinners who don’t give a damn. By and large, of course. There are exceptions either way. I don’t see any candidate worthy of being a pastor. But we’re are in a secular society and must chose the best secular offering. And let Jesus sort it out at the judgement seat.
As always, enjoy your postings.
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I just wish the actiosn and statements of the people you cite DID reflect a “biblical worldview”, or better yet, a “Kingdom fo Heaven” worldview. I guess an Amalekite or Assyrian worldview (or even a Pharisaic) worldview like these people is by definition a “biblical worldview”, but I don’t think that was God’s purpose.
If you noticed, the topic of this blog is the “Two Spies Report”, to give a voice to minority Christian viewpoints and their justification; I see no need to be a ditto-head or cheerleader for a well-funded and well-represented community of well-compensated leaders of the Religious Right. Try to find any major Christian media outlet where their views of pro-war, xenophobic and pro-authoritarianism theocracy views don’t dominate.
Sorry to pick at a scab, but your classifiying of liberals (the “sinners”, as you call them – the people the Pharisees said Jesus hung out with) and others who disagree with the description I just made (or viewed cynically the alarm that Christians sounded Chicken-Little style that each Obama term would end our country and any elections in the future) just smacks of the elitist “elect” vs. savage, unredeemable unelect views we have inherited from our Calvinistic legacy.
To clarify my position, I am staunchly pro-life as a fundamental civil rights position. Ironically, the founders of the Religious Roundtable and the Religious Right admit now that they never formed to fight Roe V. Wade; they did not care much about that, but assembled to protect federal tax-free status for their racially-segregated schools after a law under the Carter Administration. By my recollection, even W.A. Criswell, famous Southern Bapist leader, taught after Roe v. Wade that he thought it was a good idea, and that he didn’t think life began some time after the baby had left the womb. Since the 43 years of Roe v. Wade, Republicans have controlled the top for about 27 of their years, and in my view they have done NOTHING to address this issue, except give lip service to it during campaigns to attract gullible Christians. Only Ron Paul has proposed real pro-life legislation, and the Religious Right and their followers categorically rejected him. Therefore, I am interested in actions not talk, and find those who pretend to be on my side for their agenda but show they are not to be much worse than those who honestly disagree with me. For these reasons, I have to reject them as hypocrites and exploitative, and counter to my Christian convictions of “letting your yes be yes”. Thankfully, I am glad that abortions at large are going down at this country. Ironically, Bernie Sanders’ desires to help impoverished people with job opportunities and assistance would do more to reduce abortions than what these pious pretenders (or billionaire Trump, who couldn’t care less about “the blacks” and “Mexican rapists” (as he calls them), and would prefer not to pay for their babies) gab about.
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What I find so amusing about this election cycle – and every election cycle – is the hysteria of Christian “conservatives” who warn that this election is the most important election ever, and if the nation selects the wrong candidate, the nation won’t survive and that won’t be God’s will!
I’ve heard that both during Clinton’s and Obama’s administrations. Well… in those time periods, my quality of life has gone up, my cost of living has gone down, I have experienced more freedom (planted 2 churches, attended 2 others, started an online ministry, published a book, read a diversity of ideas from around the world, subscribed to international newspapers as well as national ones, registered to own a firearm, transferred my email service to an encrypted German company which actually protects my privacy, use free privacy browsers, use cash to pay bills, etc., etc.,).
What freedoms have diminished? Oh, right… my health care. Because of the ACA, I researched and escaped the health insurance trap and discovered Christian Healthcare Ministries, and my health care expenses are the lowest ever.
We live in a golden age in the United States. Declining empire? Fine. Terrible foreign policy? Well, Obama has had the fewest American soldier deaths since Clinton (gasp) while waging war all across the planet… For every American killed, Obama has killed hundreds of Muslims. Shouldn’t Christian “pro-life” conservatives love that??
And Obama has increased military and financial aid to Israel and spent more on the military than Bush administration. Peace loving Christians should love that!
Obama has spent a trillion dollars on new weapon systems, the F-35, each with a cost of 90 million. Christians Conservatives should LOVE that! Because, you know, even Jesus said to go buy a sword.
(The money of just 1 F-35 could have replaced the failing water treatment systems of 100 rural communities in Illinois (for instance), and the research and development of that could have replaced the public infrastructure across the nation, but forget clean water, safe bridges, and smooth roads… we want weapon systems to better kill Muslims. Yay Jesus!)
Most important election of all time?
Hardly. Whoever wins will be a cook, just like the Roman emperors, but nonetheless will be ordained by God (or do these Conservative Christians exorcise Romans 13 out of their bibles? I can imagine Paul hollering towards the Emperor who ordered his death “Jesus loves you and I do too!” …not, “vile serpent of Satan!”).
Whoever is President, as well as the Senate and the House (because the President actually does NOT govern in a vacuum) will govern by God’s authority (not Satan’s… again, read your actual bible, not some prophecy teacher).
Sorry to rant on your blog. The hyperbole of American politics is sickening. Take a breath. Turn off the news. Block news articles and posts about the election from Facebook. It’s not that hard people. Set your minds on things above. At the very least, enjoy autumn. We’ve had stunningly gorgeous weather in my part of the nation.
This isn’t the most election of all time. My explanation for that in brief here, for anyone who is still reading and cares.
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@doug-overmyer/the-eighth-most-important-election-of-all-time
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Doug, many of your views reflect my own, but in a better referenced way. Thanks for sharing your good points.
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Sadly, i sense that you are serious.And apparently clueless to what’s around you. It really is all about you, isn’t it? Glad YOUR life is better.
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agree with a number of your points. Personally, i believe the conservative “biblical” viewpoint IS the minority viewpoint with the so called church. Again, so much of your argumentation is political and philosophical, not necessarily biblical. That’s my focus. If YOUR conscience is the main issue in this election, then indeed, throw away a vote. I will settle for voting for a lesser evil, because the election is not about me, but about the country. I think Jesus would be fine having dinner with either Trump or Clinton, sinners they are.
From my experience of observing and participating in at least 10 national elections for president, all i have ever seen alternative candidates do is screw up the election. Perot and Wallace siphoned off conservative votes, Nader the liberals. Nothing good came of their candidacies, except serve as a protest vote that only exacerbated the problems being protested.
Again, you are entitled to your opinions. I respect that right. The biggest issue in this campaign for me is the supreme court. The next president, if they serve two terms, will probably appoint two to four judges. If you really are against abortion, then what slight chance there is of ameliorating that problem will surely fade from view if those judges are liberals. Also, if that happens, kiss your religious freedoms and the second amendment goodbye. Much as i dislike Trump, he appears more amiable to my points on those three concerns. Even if an alternative candidate appealed more, the fact that there is no possibility of them being elected renders them a moot point. I’ve voted for sinners for forty years. Nothing is different this time.
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Dude, will you and your sycophants get off the “religious right” rant. It’s greatly exaggerated and terribly overblown. You all sound like the self-righteous guy standing on the corner proclaiming ” I thank you that i am not like those people”. And we know what Christ thought of that attitude.
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Click to access bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
That so? If you voted you have no right to complain.
You are complicit in the crimes than committed by YOUR REPRESENTatives that you voted for. Government can give you nothing it has not stolen from someone else.
It is the false belief in authority that kills hundreds of millions of people. Government is a terrific success;
At killing people. (Look up Democide.) How many people did Hitler kill with his own hands? Are you responsible for your own actions? Hitler had no legitimate power intrinsic to himself. The charade of Government precedes slaughters.
The Emperor has no clothes. We should forsake The compromising with the evil systems of this world and faithfully represent our Lord and King. Or do we take on the kings name in vain.
G.Washington stated rightly that government is force. In the two party system you attempt to pointe the government gun at the other party to make them do that which they prefer not to.
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Reblogged this on New Horizons and commented:
Some provocative thoughts from Mike Bennett aka Dr. Future!
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http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/neurope/nwo.html
“IT Doesn’t matter who the people voted for,they always vote for us” ~ illuminati statement
Greetings Mike, This article saddened me for a number of reasons.
First is, that voting is not the answer, especially if you claim to be a private Christian man. People have been voting for the last 240years and that charade has culminated here.
You need to definitely watch the short YouTube videos called Adam ruins everything ,one on voting and one on gerrymandering. The voter does not elect the president,the electors do.But even if your vote did count it still not the answer. God gave us personal sovereignty to choose him to rule over us or choose the imaginary authority of Government.
Government grants you a vote if you prove a loyal subject.That was not God’s doing.
Why would a Christian want to give credence to a fallen empire of Satan by participating in politics? I thought you had a better grasp of this subject. Come out and touch not the unclean thing. Be ye seperate. Politics is warfare by words. You cannot serve two masters. Joining God and mammon.
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John Whitehead wrote a good article about whether or not our votes count: https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/if_voting_made_any_difference_they_wouldnt_let_us_do_it
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Cecilia.
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Well it was about time somebody said this. Well done.
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Thanks, Doug.
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Mike, thanks for writing this, it’s dead on. All these people who say you have to pick the lesser of two evils seem to be missing the point that we aren’t supposed to be participating in evil to any degree. Say someone tells you to murder a child or they will murder two; I’d it murder if you do it? Of course. Voting for an evil candidate is evil. . . Like you said, there are other options. Just because people say you are throwing your vote away doesn’t make it so. God knows who we vote for, and I believe we will be held accountable if we fail to repent.
Failure to lodge a protest vote against the corrupt two party system is complicity in its continuation. I vote no.
Good bless!
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Thanks Bro. Garth.
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Mike what a great post . I was hoping you would pull the trigger on this . A breath of fresh air . RRW may appreciate this surprisingly articulate and thoughtful piece coming from a Christian no less. Those unwilling to accept someone’s whose opinions stand contrary to their own is undeserving of the title “friend” . I would hope those you lose are replaced anew
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Thanks so much for the support, friend – I need all I can get.
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[…] Source: Religious Right and Their Followers May Be Getting Their Bar Kokhba Political Leader […]
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Excellent post, Doc. Thanks for your research, and your important look at the current political-spiritual situation in our country (and churches) from a higher perspective. It will likely be unpopular, because it questions and challenges deeply held assumptions. But give it time. You have taken the long view. You have my full support for posting this.
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Interesting post and comments all around. I can’t see anything but a rigged Punch n Judy show in this election. I don’t like to see Christians cross swords over 2 servants of the enemy.
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Thanks Adam – good words.
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amen!!
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I have been saying most of these things for about a year as well. I’m angry to the point that I can’t even identify myself with the Christian faith anymore. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but to my dismay he was not picked as the democratic candidate, if he had been I believe Trump’s “run” would have been over a long time ago and the only reason he is still around is because Clinton is the opposition. After the primaries I searched for a third option and I found Libertarian Gary Johnson. I liked his policies, his stance on war, his ability to seemingly balance a budget, among other things. Everyone told me it was a wasted vote, especially being a resident of KY, a heavy handed red state. I didn’t care because my hope was that a third party candidate would get enough votes to make a third party candidate more relevant in future elections. However, some serious things have happened. 1. KY is now considered a swing state and 2. it seems that voting third party in this election could be the cause of Trump winning office, which is a nightmare. So after heavy contemplation I’ve decided to vote Hilary and here’s why. I don’t think this is the election to try make a stance against the two party system or to attempt to make a third party candidate a viable option for the future, which may be accomplished anyway due to the amount of millennials that love “options.” I feel a vote for Hilary is a vote against Trump and anything to keep him out of office is the best plan for this country. Loved the article, I will be sharing it to Facebook for friends to read and hopefully they enjoy it as well. I hope my blathering makes sense.
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Your blathering made a lot of sense to me. Given your circumstances in KY, your reasoning makes sense. In TN here, it is solidly Trump country, so I am going to make a statement about the unacceptable nature of both criminal syndicate parties, and go with Johnson – I’ll make that statement on your behalf as well.
Given our winner take all by state election process, a vote clearing house website for nationwide vote swapping for maximum message impact might have some utlity.
Thanks for commenting and forwarding the posts, and please don’t be a stranger! (you can give up on the religious structures, but don’t give up on Jesus, or His good people in small groups around you!)
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drfuture2013 my last comment was from a wordpress I forgot I created. I deleted it and have started a new one: cleverly not clever. Can’t wait to read more posts and don’t worry, I haven’t given up on Jesus or his message.
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I can’t believe that blog name wasn’t taken already! (wink)
Sounds great – look forward to hearing more from you.
Doc
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I appreciate the way you connect events from the scriptures — actions, words, and attitudes — with the church’s complicity with the Trump machine.
Previously, I’ve thought about how Trump is anti-christ (lowercase “a”), but your comparison to Bar Kokhba is especially apt.
Your strongest moment in this piece is the description of the Evangelical Right being simply another, albeit collective, notch on Trump’s bedpost. Some may find it crass, but the prophet Ezekiel was inspired to write some rather graphic denunciation of Israel’s unfaithfulness as well.
Thank you for posting this piece — I’d been waiting for quite some time to hear more from the Good Dr.
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Thank you for your feedback. I had also thought about Ezekiel’s description of Israel, and how in God’s view Samaria and Syria (I recollect) did not sleep around as much as Israel. Quite tawdry stuff.
Also, thanks for commenting on the actual content and examples in the post, and not just your overall views on Trump or Clinton, like many posters. Look forward to hearing more from you, too.
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Dr. Future (Mike Bennet, PhD), I used to enjoy your Futurequake broadcasts originating in Nashville, Tennessee. Your one lung match-stick radio station could barely be heard, even through-out the Nashville city limits. I was a regular listener (via podcast, not airwave) and even went to the Futurequake (revival? conference? party?) that you held in Ft. Wayne, Indiana back in 2011. You had many guests on your show that spoke about the problems in America, and how we got to where we are today. I enjoyed the guests that gave a historical perspective concerning the takeover of our constitutional republic, going back to the creation of the Federal Reserve, the bombing and attack upon Pearl Harbor, and Webster Tarpley’s analysis of 9-11. What in the world has happened to you and some of your co-horts? -When I wear a red shirt or jacket, and my “Make America Great Again” cap to the polls on election day, I will not be voting for Trump the imperfect candidate, so much as I will be voting FOR AMERICA.
In your blog, you neglected to mention these facts concerning America: President Obama has been a disaster for this country. Obama has presided over wrecking our economy, opened our borders to violent criminals, saddled our children and grandchildren with debt, and gone around the world apologizing for America, as if the greatest nation in the world needed to apologize for being the land of opportunity and freedom that we were before Obama became president. He gave us an unaffordable health care system, passed and legalized same sex marriage (then bathed the White House in gay colored lights to celebrate and rub our noses in perversion), and paid a cash ransom to an enemy (Iran) for the release of hostages. Now, America looks like a broken country; stripped of jobs, stripped of wealth, stripped of respect, stripped of hope. And what does President Obama do about it? He plays nice with the very same foreign governments who are eager to watch America burn. If Hillary is elected, she will continue the policies of this communist infiltrator, Barry Soetoro. This cannot go on! And if Donald J. Trump has anything to say about it, it won’t. Donald Trump has the answers America has been looking for, including: How to finally secure our border and fix our immigration overflow; How to create American jobs by forcing Communist China into truly fair trade; How to retire our debt without endangering long-established programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (that millions of Americans depend on); How to undo the fraud of Obamanomics and the disaster of Obamacare. We are not electing a national pastor. We are not voting on making Jesus Christ Lord over America. God has always used flawed men to accomplish his will. I have a feeling you liberal “Never Trump” Christians would not have voted for King David, or any other of God’s chosen leaders if you would have had the opportunity.
NOW, LET’S DO THE ELECTION MATH:
YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR ARE BOTH VOTING; HIM FOR HILLARY, YOU FOR TRUMP.
NEIGHBOR= HIlLARY
YOU= TRUMP
THE VOTE IS EVEN
YOU LISTEN TO THE REPROBATE RINO AND MSM RABBLE, AND YOU DECIDE TRUMP IS JUST NOT AN OPTION:
NEIGHBOR= HILLARY
YOU= A WRITE IN, OR THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE
HILLARY PULLS AHEAD BY ONE.
NEIGHBOR= HILLARY
YOU= DON’T VOTE FOR ANYONE
HILLARY PULLS AHEAD BY ONE
ANALYSIS: UNLESS YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP, YOU ARE FACILLITATING THE ELECTION OF HILLARY, AND WILL SHARE IN ALL OF HER EVIL ROTTEN FRUIT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, YOUR CHILDREN’S LIVES, AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN’S LIVES. IF THE RAPTURE IS DELAYED, THIS WILL BE THE WORLD WE HAVE TO LIVE IN AND THAT YOU HELPED CREATE.
Your blog-post above has reminded me why you can never trust a man who does not stick to the King James Bible. You mess with God’s Word (the KJV) and God will mess with your mind. I have a Bible I can trust. You don’t have a Bible you can trust, so you have become nothing more than a braying dumb ass (2 Peter 2:16) of a theologian/false prophet preaching a gospel that has no power to change things either spiritually or politically. Throw your vote away Dr. Future. You and the apostate “Never Trumpers” are throwing away our birthright as Americans for a mess of liberal theological pottage, and as Esau did, we will forever regret it.
Indyusmcdad, PhD in Truckology
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Indyusmcdad,
I am sorry that Donald Trump has shown such a long and consistent life of Christian virtue and certainty of keeping his promises (like his marriage vows) that you feel more confident that he will fulfill his vague promises of demogogic targeting of scapegoats and generically “making America great” over my many years of trying to think openly with you and my audience from a Christian truth-seeking process. I have seen my Christian conservative friends (as I would describe myself for most of my life) get real ugly without well-researched specifics over the years over the left-right paradigm political debate (usually reciting the narrative of whatever Rush or Hannity (or Savage) are pushing at the time), but their embrace of Trump and his inflence have turned them into hateful people who applaud beating up protestors at rallies (with Trump egging them on) and using brutish force and intimidation, convinced of the “enemy” without any thought to study further as to the lay of the land, like they are in an army brainwashed to hate the enemy so much that they will spare no atrocity on the battlefield. Their all-consuming hatred of Hillary and Obama defines them, and seems to compel them to embrace any “devil” with an (R) in front of his name (except Ron Paul, of course) – the more extreme and forceful on others, the better; I now see it as a sickness (not their political position which I may or may not agree with, but rather the ugly way how they pursue it) that I feel it will get worse before it gets better. Who knows what kind of actions the thuggish behavior at his rallies will unleash if they don’t win? How empowered will they be for vigiliante action (without restraint from the federal govt.) if they DO win?. Meanwhile, the Christian witness will be in ruins. I do not believe the lies or Trump or Clinton, or their pundits (including their Religious Right leaders, who should be helping the poor rather than feathering their own beds by pursuing political special access and favor), but I DO care when Christians don’t use God-given judgment, a careful investment of time to do their due diligence and to look at history objectively, and not to be fools by trusting the untrustful, and potentially ruin their witness by supporting hateful policies and tone to those to whom they are supposed to minister. The Religious Right may pull out a win with Trump, but they will lose any ability to have a positive Christian witness and influence with everyone else, who will now see them as bigoted as most of the country sees Trump. The Religious Right will find Trump as loyal as he was in covenant to his wives, and he will throw them to the curb as he says he intends to cast off his women after they reach a certain age, from his own words; even less faithful to them than the Republicans who came before him. He has given specifics in just one area he is serious about – his detailed plan to cut the tax rates of those in the richest brackets, and to almost eliminate corporate tax. That may help the wealthy Religious Right parachurch leaders and pundit activists who promote him, but what about the rank and fil common folk Christians they have duped into supporting him, much less others less fortunate?
BTW, I have learned from the KJV most of my life, memorize from it, quote from it, and still read it about every day. I don’t worship King James, or his translation, and hence not have to defend it as a life or death situation. I don’t like King James’ jailing of my Baptist forebearers (one of the founders died in jail) because they wouldn’t put him and his anti-Baptist religious dictates before God. I don’t respect his homosexuality (while persecuting others for sexual sins), I don’t like his revival of the witch hunts and his love of torturing them, and I don’t like his use of Masoretic texts which can be traced to the corrupting influence of Rabbi Akiva, the professed enemy of Jesus and Paul. I am trying to carry nothing in my “bucket” except Jesus – not a translation, denomination, creed, theological sect, favorite Christian leader, political party, or nationalistic idolatry. It is a rocky road getting there, both within and without.
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>I don’t respect his homosexuality (while persecuting others for sexual
>sins), I don’t like his revival of the witch hunts and his love of torturing
>them, and I don’t like his use of Masoretic texts which can be traced to the
>corrupting influence of Rabbi Akiva, the professed enemy of Jesus and
>Paul.
Mike: I don’t know if you’ve considered Chris Pinto’s research on Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, I have found his arguments against the critical text of Wescott and Hort, and for the Received Text, to be persuasive. You may want to view his latest video, Bridge to Babylon, and listen to his radio show for the most up to date information.
>I am trying to carry nothing in my “bucket” except Jesus
What we know of the Jesus we wish to follow is based on the testimony of the Bible and the interpretive work of the Holy Spirit. If the modern day texts do not properly reflect the words of God (all are red letters based on inspiration) based on altered manuscripts, we can have a slanted view of the historical record. Those manuscripts are a very important part of following Jesus.
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You know, I hear this argument all the time, but have yet, in over 40 years of biblical research, found any differences between various versions to actually affect any cardinal christian doctrines. I don’t question that some versions tended toward the liberal view or higher critical view, but i can still pick up the worst version of all and still see the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, the gospel message of salvation, etc. I do have my personal preferences, but not because i am paranoid about missing something critical to my christian knowledge or walk.
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More the issue is one of the reliability of the Bible. When asked about the end of Mark, for example, and all you can say is that the last verses weren’t in the original, then you question how much else has been “added” (although there isn’t a shred of evidence that anything was added). The shorter readings of the critical text and their dubious origin and association with gnostic texts gives good reason to reject them. The gnostics took out whatever they didn’t like.
Worthy of a much fuller, and probably separate discussion.
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well, there are those who still believe the shorter version is the original. others not. I agree that this discussion could be a long one and end with no agreement. And this site may or may not be the proper forum. Still, whatever your view on Mark, i see no validation of an obsessive clinging to the KJV. Have no problem with people who prefer, just when it suddenly becomes THE determining factor of one’s christianity.
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You know, you had me at hello, and lost me at KJV.
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I am not a member of the political “religious right” as the MSM likes to categorize all Bible believers, and could care less about their agenda. What I do care about is letting the Bush/Clinton criminal cartel continue to spoil and ruin our nation. Thanks to an alternative media you do not have to have an insider connection, or a PhD degree in either Engineering or Truckology (my attempt to inject a little humor) to find out the agenda of Grandaddy Bush and his plans for World Government. George H.W. Bush is not some old kindly grandfather figure with goofy socks. He is an EVIL, and WICKED pedophile of a man that has exerted policy influence over the United States since he lied about his presence in Dallas the day JFK was murdered. He’s one of Satan’s best generals.
God has permitted in these last days an alternative media so that his people can find out the truth without having it filtered by the propaganda arm of the NWO (which is all the MSM is today). The NWO hates the idea of free speech and gun rights, and a Hillary Clinton election will further their aims immensely.
John 17:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Biblical truth has been easy to find for anyone who has been honestly seeking it. God will lead us into all truth if we trust Him and are earnestly seeking. Until today, POLITICAL truth was not so easy to come by. Satan and his operatives seek to destroy both.
I will be voting for, and praying for Trump and our nation the same prayer that I have prayed for over 40 years. That God will keep our nation free until the Lord Jesus returns again for us.
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It is easy to brand a man of history as a Sodomite since he is no longer around to defend himself. The real King James was a very different man than the one described by the critics of the King James Bible.
There is no record of anyone accusing King James of homosexual behavior during his lifetime. If you read most modern historians, you would believe that King James’s homosexuality was open and widely recognized but this is far from the truth. There are absolutely no contemporary accounts alleging homosexuality on King James’s part though there are contemporary accounts praising him for his moral virtue. Sir Anthony Welden was an officer in the royal household of King James. He was knighted by King James in 1617. He was eventually dismissed from the royal court by King James. He vowed to get revenge!
Welden supported the anti-monarchy forces during the English Civil War. Twenty-five years after the death of King James, (one year after the execution of Charles I, King James’s son) Welden made the first accusations of homosexuality against King James. His statements were widely rejected at the time because there were still too many living people who had known King James personally and who dismissed the allegations as RIDICULOUS.
In 1985, Moody Monthly magazine alerted the evangelical world to the allegations that King James was a homosexual. These charges came in an article entitled The Real King James by Karen Ann Wojahn. No evidence was provided. The article was accompanied by The Bible That Bears His Name by Leslie Keylock, This article was an attack on the King James Bible. Numerous attempts have been made to get Moody Monthly to either document or withdraw the charges made in these articles but 30 years later neither has been done.
Despite the lack of evidence (and in spite of the evidence to the contrary) some evangelicals are quick to use the baseless accusations against King James to bolster their attacks on the King James Bible. But facts are stubborn things! King James never claimed to be a homosexual. He was never accused of being one during his life time. No one ever claimed to see James in a homosexual situation. The accusations against him, past and present, stem from bias and not from fact.
The character and record of King James clearly refutes the charges of homosexuality against King James.
In 1602, Sir Henry Wotton wrote of King James, “… Among his good qualities none shines more brightly than the chasteness of his life, which he has preserved without stain down to the present time contrary to the example of almost all his ancestors. .”
Before spreading rumor and innuendo and siding with homosexual activists, why not read the historical facts and quotations of the contemporaries of King James in this book?
Dr. Phil Stringer has a definitive message on “The Real Story of King James”
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and your point? I don’t see how absolving King James of homosexuality makes the King James Version (did he write it?) the best version. Certainly we don’t want to wrongly accuse someone, but it has no bearing whatsoever on the veracity of the KJV.
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Although this King James/homosexuality issue is not a main deal to me and worthy of much further discussion, I do reveal in one of my books some of the evidence that has arisen, such as his own letters which make it clear, and even physical evidence of hidden passages they have found in his estates that go form his bedroom to the bedroom of his male suitor – it all adds up. What I DO have bigger concerns about was his severe persecution of Baptists, and to a lesser extent his revival of torture of heretics and his enjoyment (per his own writings) of his personal torture of alleged witches, his writings on the topic used to enliven the Salem Witch Trials.
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I don’t find many conservative Christians using various editions of the Bible. Most Liberal Christians who refuse to believe God has given us His preserved word believe the Bible is only inspired in spots……and THEY are inspired to spot the spots. Guess what? That makes the spot spotters the authority rather than the BIBLE. LOL. What that means in practical terms is that we have to find the most reliable spot spotter and find out what he says the Bible really says! What FOLLY! Satan uses the same tactic today that he used back in the Garden because it still works today. “Ye, hath God said?”
I’m going to believe that God has given us His Word in the King James Bible. He has preserved it for these last days.
Psalms 12:6-7
“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” —Psalm 12:6-7
We live in a free country (for now). You can use the NIV (64,000 fewer words than the KJV), the ESV, The NKJV, The Amplified Bible, or you can write your own Bible.
Mr. Chuck, I perceive you to be in the gall of bitterness. Maybe you are a believer, but to me you seem to be a protagonist against the King James Bible. It appears to me that if you are a Christian, you have left your first love, and instead of a Bible Believer, you have become a Bible corrector such as James White, or Hank Hanagraff. These men are Bible rejecters. Don’t listen to them and be influenced by them. They are Satan’s friends, and sew discord among the brethren. Their counsel and so-called scholarship is rejected by true believers. God gives DISCERNEMENT concerning His Word. If you are indeed a believer, you will want to use the Bible that God has blessed, the one that has brought more people to Christ than all other versions put together, and the Bible God has used more than any other Bible will ever be used, the King James Bible. Of all Christians who actually READ the Bible, over 60% read a King James Bible. 80% of all family Bibles are King James Bibles. All modern versions are corrupt, and Jesus told us a parable about Satan sewing corrupt seed. I don’t think Jesus was speaking only of the sewing of His Word into the heart of man, but Satan sews corrupt seed in every facet of life. Here are some Bible FACTS from USA Today (hardly a conservative publication).
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-04-21-king-james-bible.htm
God used and uses imperfect men to accomplish his perfect will. He used David, He used Nebuchadnezzar, and he used King James. He can also use Donald Trump to forestall plunging our nation into tyranny until He is ready to remove His church from the earth in the Rapture.
Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!
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First, to help you out, I am a lover of Christ, not a lover of any particular version of the Bible. My authority is God’s word, not a particular version of it. If it makes it easier for you to adulate the KJV, by all means do so. It was based on at most a dozen mss., all very late. If God is sovereign, why do you think HE ordained that we would eventually find thousands of manuscripts of scripture? Just so we would use a dozen.
I don’t contest that Satan deceives. But think now, were those scholars who worked on the KJV inspired? Were they inerrant? Infallible? If you believe this you have definitely departed from what scripture reveals about God’s word.
As for gall of bitterness, you’ve made an illogical assumption. Bitterness has nothing to do with it. I clearly stated that i am fine with the KJV, as i am with other versions (even if not all). You base your judgement for christian walk or fellowship on a 400+ year old translation by fallible men. If i have to chose which fallible mens’ version to follow, I’ll go with one based on much earlier transcripts. There’s a degree of faith and trust that goes into accepting any work of sinful men and women. One must be cautious. Nevertheless, I have never heard from any KJV acolyte WHY the KJV is superior to all other versions, other than it is older, or was the one used for a few centuries. What about the Geneva bible? Latin Vulgate? and on and on.
Sometimes we all start judging our walk with God based mostly or solely on our “badge”. “I use the KJV therefore i honor God more”. This is simplistic. I have no reason to think the translators (please remember, the KJV is one of many translations) of the KJV were any more christian than translators of other versions, before and after the KJV. You are merely picking one of many translations, and not even the earliest, to base your faith on. Well, good luck with that. I doubt that at the judgement seat of Christ He will reward you for using the KJV, or even ask you what version you used.
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Hi Dr. Future! Glad to see you blogging again. I completely agree with you on Trump. In fact its kind of weird seeing a lot of the Christian Truther’s backing him. It’s a mess of an election and I suspect it will only get worse. Im a little skeptical of the information we are getting about Russia though. I don’t think Putin is by any means a good guy but I think some of the stuff is propaganda. The U.S. and the U.K. have had a long history of making Russia out to be the enemy. I actually had a college class a couple semesters ago with an older Russian woman. One day she was trying to explain the beauty of Russian culture. At one point though she discussed that she struggles to express her pride because of the misconceptions and anti-Russian views harbored by westerners. That being said ,as someone who is debating leaving Protestantism for Orthodox Christianity, I disagree with Russia making it illegal to be an evangelical. Any idea when the books will be finished? Im looking forward to reading them.
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Matt, Thanks for taking the time to post.
Back in the early 90s I had the privilege of briefly working in Russia with some of their scientists there. As one who is not all that experienced in immersing onself outside my Bible Blet Southern culture, I found these people to be some of the most warm hearted, noble, perseverent and dedicated (and intelligent) I have ever met in my travels around the world. They would sacrifice all for what they thought were the noble views of Communism, and were dedicated to friends and family. A genuine Christian revival (not an institutional type) would empower a people so capable and dedicated enough (unlike us lazy Americans) could truly change the world; I would say only the Chinese and other Asians would ever rival them in that regard. I found them a little hard to develop close relationships with at first (compared to my Southern culture, where we will talk at length to any stranger), but soon thereafter they were a friend for life.
Having said of my respect for the Russian people in general, the data I have come across concerning Putin makes me cautious of his personal ambitions and agenda (admittedly, I am skeptical of almost all prominent politicans), and the emerging alliance of the Russian Orthodox Church and him to “nationalize” Christian faith for political purposes (and societal homogeneity) I am just now studying for my final book volume, and what I find disturbs me, and how the Religious Right leadership is now publicly touting Putin as the global “Lion of Christianity” for his draconian shutdown on dissenters of every stripe, and a tilt toward Russia as the leadership of a forceful “Christendom” on the world (of which dissenting Christians have historically paid the greatest price).
I am now trying to finish up some reference bookkeeping drudgery for the thousands of online references for my seven volumes, then I need to finish the second half of the final volume and then clean them all up for final publishing!
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dude, you’ve got to help me out here. Who are the religious right leadership that tout Putin as a lion of christianity? Did i miss their books or articles? Some names please?
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“Dude”:
You always have an attitude that I’m making stuff up in your attempt to deceptively fool the other readers of this blog (I already know better), just like how you were blatantly wrong about the Calvin quote. I don’t have time to keep diverting myself from useful things to go look up thigns again just for you here, as the only accuser, when a simple 30 second Google search would easily answer your own insincere accusation. Here is one simple example you could have easily found, if you were interested in the truth:
Franklin Graham and others have said very similar things (I can find roughly 20-30 such independent similar references easily online that I have already saved, by my recollection). If you were really interested in the truth (like most of the others here), you could have found this easily. Your time would better be spent educating yourself (maybe with the help of this blog as a stimulus), rather than wasting our time.
I only answered here so you won’t further fool the impressionable that may be among us here. I am open to different views from others here, when their intentions are constructive. However, for people like you, I am warning you that un-researched actions like this from you, when you should know better but merely mean to harass me or influence others, will not be tolerated any more. I hate to talk to anyone this way, and I have close friends I love who disagree strongly with me and we have strongly worded discussions, but they are done in good faith. When I see you do this again and not for sincere reasons (or not constructively advancing our knowledge even when challenging it), I will block you to save us all a lot of time from reading comments without attempts to enlighten. If you change your ways (if not your views), you are welcome to participate. Otherwise, I do not waste any more time on you, and you would be better putting your unsubstantiated accusations on your own blog, for others to critique.
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oh goodness, i hurt your feelings. Nice dodge though. No proof. Just lump it all under the “christian right”. Seems you are making stuff up. Now, if running when you are caught is your reflex action, then by all means, do what you are good at. Seems like the only people you consider sincere are those who agree with you. I’ve run into plenty of bully site masters such as yourself. And blocking is about as courageous as they get. Please, don’t expose your sycophants to contrary thoughts. Coddle and protect (read propaganda) them. Your problem is you’re so enamored with your own viewpoint that you’re threatened by anyone who challenges you. I’m sure you won’t even post this. You’ll forgive me if i return the same contempt you give me. Sorry if you can’t handle disagreement. Will be interesting though the day you have to give account for this “attack conservative christian” website. If only you showed equal determination when attacking actual evil. Typical progressive liberal reaction. Accuse and stifle dissent. If i am causing mental and emotional trauma, i’ll certainly move on. You might want to get some counseling. Strange though, no one else seems bothered. Think about it.
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Did you not watch the attached Youtube link I included to answer your own question directly?
“Bryan Fischer Praises Putin: A “Lion of Christianity”” (prior Youtube video)
What part of this did you not understand, or is this just a game?
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just an afterthought. Perhaps in this world you have created YOU get to determine definitions and motives of words and people, but in the real world, it’s not that way. You overly emotive and disingenuous lumping of tens of millions of christians under the heading of “christian right” as if that were synonymous with “the evil empire”, and simplistic statements implying that somehow William Franklin is not only a member but that he is “the representative” voice of conservative christians is vacuous of truth. You’re entitled to your opinions, but try something new. State what you believe without attacking other christians (assuming you are one or that you accept someone can be a sincere christian while disagreeing with you). Just a suggestion. And in a debate of ideas, some form of verification is usually required. Certainly not an unreasonable request, unless, as i suggested earlier, one takes umbrage at any challenge. Feel free to block me. It’s not very manly, but in a self-created illusory world, certainly an option.
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Yeah Im pretty skeptical of all politicians too. I was just wondering if some of it was propaganda for a new war or support for regime change. It appears that may not be the case. I am skeptical of his alliance with the Russian Orthodox Church. I believe some in the Russian Orthodox Church are under the illusion he is going to bring back the Third Rome. This line of thought could be disasterious for Christianity in Russia.
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http://ecclesia.org/truth/lawgiver.html
Government is force. The Golden rule is Best.
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[…] mentioned in my last post that it was probably ill-advised, but that due to rhetoric I had heard from Christians close to me, […]
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I have to admit – I haven’t been out to this blog in awhile, but would like to catch up with it. I am posting a video to this topic because I think it is relevant. (sorry I haven’t read all the comments either). I just came across this video yesterday and it has me thinking… I am really interested in what Dr. Future and others on the site think regarding this topic – “Zionism” and how it is presented in the video. Please take a look sometime and let me know your thoughts. Of course, no hurry, especially with the holidays and such. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!
Thank you – Karen
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I read some blog posts here that I just ran across as it was similar to name I used to hear on the radio here in Tennessee a few years back. Sadly, I wish I had never run across this blog. Pro-Trump/Anti-Trump, whatever the case, the level of holier than thou condemnation and division has left me with a feeling of something ugly, disgusting, and shameful.
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Thanks for letting me know your thoughts, brother.
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No one likes to have their pretty balloon popped, but maybe walking and looking up at your cherished, puffed up object full of nothing but air is causing you to miss the fact that you are walking off a cliff. When Jesus spoke to people who clung tenaciously to their religious understanding and traditions taught to them by their official religious experts (who would NEVER lie or mislead them for selfish gain or power), he must have sounded divisive, derisive, self important and full of himself.
If we are to know Jesus Christ who is the TRUTH deeper and more intimately each day, then we must persue truth and facts diligently for ourselves, even if what we learn makes us uncomfortable.
We have been taught to pray for unity within the church, but not to the point where we abandon the most basic teachings of The Way.
The Age of Grace meant that God now dealt with individuals. He will deal with nations again at the end of days and America is not one of the nations listed in scripture. Yet I was taught from the time the LORD saved me in 1980 that America was the only “God Ordained Modern Christian Nation”, that “God hates Communism, Russia is Gog, therefore it is your Christian duty to adhere to “My Country Right or Wrong”; that one was to be fiercely, blindly patriotic because we pray for those in authority over us and that to criticize the government or publicize it’s mistakes was akin to uncovering Moses’ nakedness.
Clearly a lot of tradition that is beneficial to State powers that be has been allowed to creep into the church and come forth from our pulpits as doctrine and dogma that is no such thing. If discovering this is unsettling or uncomfortable, well, it should be.
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Very well said, Sister Lily.
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Mike
I admire your forthrightness and plain speaking. I do agree with many of your points. However, when it comes to narcissism anyone would have a long way to go to beat Obama. I remember Ann Barnhardt’s YT video on narcissism and thought she did a very good job of analysis.
I think believers today do need to pay attention to the lessons of history like Bark Khokba – though I doubt DJT is going to emulate his cruelty etc anytime soon. LOL. I do take a long view, and realise that YHWH Elohim is still firmlly on His throne, and even Satan has limits to what he’s allowed. If Father permitted the death of His Son it was for our redemption (Hebraic scripture outlines the kinsman redeemer) and he was as Revelation says “the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world”. I am not as concerned with DJT’s election (now that he has the ball it remains to be seen what he does with it, and that may depend on how much impedance he gets from the RINO / Dem bunch in govt), as I am with the damage that the petulant narcissist Obama (whom I dub Obola the virus in the WH) has, and will wreak before Jan. 20. The fact that he via Kerry explicitly enlisted NZ to do their dirty work in the UN, does not bode well. Israel has already pulled all funding they give to UN, and are considereing getting out of it.
I don’t think this latest missile fired on behalf of US and all the anti Israel crowd, is gonna do much for peace – it might just unleash “one helluva war”.
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